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January 07, 2009

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Tom,

with your +0.x% last year you did better in a retirment account than 99% of all people - my guess. My result was a -16.6%. I sure hope that this result taught me the lesson I needed to learn to never ever repeat anything similar. It must be said it is my 4th year working, so we're not talking about big amounts yet. But I sure do not want to lose a single penny of my hard-earned money to my own sutpidity.
Joe

Joe,

If you have over 30 years working ahead of you could probably put all new money into stocks for the next decade. You could buy the total world index fund VT and save yourself a lot of effort. Just set an alarm clock for ten years from now....LOL

This isn't relevant, but I thought you might like to know:

The Oct 08 low for the Nekkei 225 was at least a 25 year low, probably more but that's as far back as I can get.

January 2009 is the 75th anniversary of Roosevelt's new gold price of $35.00. The halfway point is July 1971, one month before Nixon closed the gold window in August.

Jim

Someone I've known since the 1990's glory days of the University of Colorado Long Wave Center site sent me this URL today on a possible truer model for our current collapse than 1929:

http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=477k3d8mh2wmtpc4b6h07p4hy9z83x18

That certainly was one of the classic Kondratieff Wave "falls from top". 1873-1896

Jim,

I found this chart on Tokyo market value to GNP from 1928 to 2000. Maybe a better long term chart will surface, but this gives a framework at least:

http://screencast.com/t/gn9UM5Ov

For Joe and others re long term S&P 500 returns...

This is another way of thinking about and visualizing S&P 500 returns based upon the holding period. My review today of Hussman's duration concept is one way to attempt to control it for age and for "when needed". This chart shows the whole S&P 500 history since 1871.

The average total returmn with all dividends reinvested but with no allowance for fees, taxes, slippage, etc. is 9.4% per year. But there have been holding periods of up to 20 years with negative returns! For the current twenty year holding period since January 6th 1989 the total return is 8.37% or "below average".

http://screencast.com/t/QjYSrUSay

This reinforces the idea that if you are young as an investor, say under 30 years of age, you can and probably should expose your portfolio 100% to equities to try to capture the average of 9.4% annual gains and the possibility of even more. But as you get over 35-40 years old you need to start reducing that exposure to limit the possibility of a bad streak reducing your end result as I decribed earlier today.

Tom,

An alternative to your Husman-based duration model could be a simple trend-following model in 4 or five asset classes as described by Mebane in his paper:
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=962461
Results are in his blog:
http://worldbeta.blogspot.com/


It's a simple model about be in a market as long as it's above the 7 or so day SMA and exit otherwise. It generates according to him about 3-4 trades per year per asset class and has not had neg. returns yet. (I know sounds like Madoff.) This is a reasonable time effort in retirement or before. I think it's worth looking at.

I know at least 80% lose on market timing - we have to keep this in mind. There are a lot of psychological traps even in simple systems.

Joe

Joe,

There are a lot of different investment methods or models if one has the time and is "methodical" about doing them for years and years without fail. My own experience is that we change, and we sometimes go through times when we are very, very busy with work or lots of work-related travel or health or family problems which take all our attention for considerable periods of time. Or we develop new interests or move our home or change careers. We may forget about our method or lose interest in it for a long while.

I think we are better off if we rationally automate investing by putting money away every month and then annually or semi-annually spending a few hours "re-balancing" the assets. You could do that even with a moving average program or any other active program. You might make a lot of money on moving averages with stocks one year or with bonds another and need to rebalance a la Hussman. Rational rebalancing doesn't exclude an active method of investing, nor the other way around.

Bear in mind that you don't just want to accumulate money in tax-deferred accounts, but in taxable accounts also whose investment goals are different and depend upon income tax rates and capital gains rates which can change dramatically over time.

As you make money and have more of it to manage, it requires greater attention. At some time in life you may decide to have a bank trust department or other reliable money manager do it for you. But by then, at least if you have done it yourself for years, you will have a much better idea of what you want them to do for you.

So investing is a growth process like life itself. There are no guarantees, but there are logical ways to progress over time. The goal is to preserve and hopefully grow your assets so that your life is pleasant as you grow older and that it enables you to give your family some advantages as they start out in life.

This is all quite obvious and simple-minded or trite, but it needs to be respected as we go along in life. ;)

Keep in mind that I am just talking as one who has been there, and I am not an investment adviser or money manager except for myself and family. This is all my story or experience.

Tom,

Your advice is greatly appreciated.
Joe


timely link to the 1873-1896 downgrade. that is EXACTLY the model i am using and the reason i have just read the hard-to-find chronicle ("on the record": d.w. perkins) of panics during that period, as i mentioned here a while back.

one of the long cycles i consider is the kress, which ends in 2014. that would be a fine time, imho, for some kind of long wave cycles (i watch several) bottom-nesting to occur.

of course, i expect the equity low to occur sooner, perhaps in the lindsay time frame as recently discussed here.

Tom;

Thanks for this piece. I found it highly informative. The concept of stocks having a duration makes alot of sense, and rebalancing based on your age is priceless.

Since Asian markets start opening in the afternoon for AZ, west coast, and Hawaii-based investors, this interesting Japanese multi-market chart and news page might be of interest. It auto-refreshes every 90 seconds and news in English updates more frequently.

http://www.geocities.jp/real_chart_fx_sgxnikkei_dow/worldstockindex.html

The chart bands and moving averages aren't detailed, and I don't read Japanese; but the intermarket comparisons are excellent. I notice that the Russian RTS chart seems stuck. I like this page a lot. It might appeal to you east coast night owls too...:))


you're giving out too much homework!

B)

I get a new PhD about every six months at Internut University....I think you do too.... alas, dear olde IU will never win a BCS bowl....(8^)

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